Insider Secrets Podcast Season 2, Episode 16

 Guest: Tim Winders

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Guest Bio:

Tim Winders

As a faith-driven executive coach with over 40 years of experience in leadership, business and ministry, I help leaders and business owners align their beliefs with their work and redefine success. My coaching business is centered on the idea that success can be redefined, and that leaders can have a deeper sense of purpose, fulfillment and balance in their lives. I work with leaders, leadership teams, business owners and entrepreneurs to help them achieve their goals and have a deeper sense of purpose, fulfillment and balance in their lives.

In addition to my coaching business, I am also the host of the SeekGoCreate podcast, where I interview successful leaders and entrepreneurs and explore how they’ve redefined success in their lives and careers. Through my podcast, I aim to provide inspiration, insight, and practical advice for listeners looking to do the same. My novel “Coach: A Story of Success Redefined” is a fictional tale that explores the same themes and provides an in-depth look at the coaching process. Both my podcast and my book are designed to help individuals and organizations align their beliefs with their work and find fulfillment in their lives.

My extensive background, unique perspective, and strengths in strategic thinking, relationship building, and problem-solving make me well-suited to help my clients navigate through difficult times and achieve their goals. My Disc Profile style is D/IS and my Clifton Strengths are Strategic, Maximizer, Relator, Woo, Communication, Self-Assurance, Ideation, Positivity, Belief, Significance.


Key Takeaways

Discovering our true nature and purpose is a lifelong journey. There are various characteristics and traits that define us, and these qualities evolve over time.

A transformation in one’s faith can lead to a fundamental shift in values and perspective on life.

Instead of treating spirituality as a resource to turn to only in times of trouble, it can be a consistent and integral part of one’s business endeavors.

Effective communication and genuine interest in what matters to others can lead to stronger connections and partnerships.

Success should be redefined on an individual basis, rather than trying to emulate others. It’s essential to discover one’s unique definition of success.

Standout Quotes

“I think when the building something new or the working on the project is the lead is when we get out of balance.” – Tim

“The reason we’re here is to prepare our hearts for eternity. What we went through was a doctorate in heart preparation.” – Tim

“I own nothing but control everything. That’s the old Robert Allen way. Own nothing, but control everything.” – Tim

“There’s a lot of rewards on the passive side as a passive investor from where you don’t have to deal with tenants, trash, toilets, crime, demographics, all the minutiae.” – Mike

“Part of our mission is helping people get closer to their assignment or what they were created for. It’s about identifying equipping, finding your purpose, and keeping it in check while pursuing it.” – Tim


[00:40] Intro to Podcast

[02:32] Intro to episode guest

[03:56] One word that describes Tim personally and professionally.

[06:16] Do you think that each of us have some word or quality that other people associate them with associate you with?

[18:12] Tim shares his background and how he got to where he is today.

[27:10] Are you in the multifamily business or how’d you get into the multifamily business?



Socials: Seek Go Create


Kristen: [00:00:00] Welcome to this edition of Insider Secrets, the weekly podcast that turns real estate investing goals into reality. Each show we interview guests who are seasoned real estate professionals, actively closing and managing real estate deals. Mike is the founder of My Core Intentions and would like to help you make your real estate investing dreams a reality.

Mike coaches you to buy investment real estate, creating short term cash flow and long term wealth. Your host and real estate coach, Mike Morawski, has more than 30 years of real estate investing and property management experience. Here’s your host, Mike.

Mike Morawski: Hey, good morning everybody. What’s up? How’s your weekend going? And welcome. Buckle up today because you’re in for a wild ride. That’s for sure. I wanted to just welcome you. If you’re new to the show, if this is your first time here, welcome. I hope someone told you to be here. Or maybe you [00:01:00] just stumbled across us.

But whatever, like us, love us subscribe if you are on YouTube, cause we’re always bringing out relevant content, something new, a new guest, some new information, some new tips, techniques about multifamily investing. Today my guest is going to bring some excitement and some knowledge and a little bit of fun to the show. So we’ll get to that in a minute.

But I want to remind you coming up October 19th and 20th is our two day virtual event, our Multifamily Summit. This year, I have over 15 speakers and panelists going to be on the show. Everything from how to get in the business or come from another asset class and jump in the multifamily from zero multifamily units. We’re going to have a panel that I think collectively this panel has probably done 150, 000 units in the last five years.

So we’re going to [00:02:00] have some big producers, how to scale your business. We’re going to have some ancillary people. So we’ll have self directed IRA and 1031, some tax information. We’re going to talk about how to raise private capital. I’m going to give a couple deal examples. So this year is going to be action packed. No breaks. We’re going to go right through back to back all the way for two days. So, make sure that you’re there. Grab a seat. You’re not going to want to miss. Go to multifamily23. com and get registered now.

All right. Our guest this morning, Tim Winders with Seek Go Create. I was on Tim’s show a couple of weeks ago and had a great experience and said, Hey, I need to get you on my podcast. Tim is calling somewhere from the United States today. He’s traveling around the world in his RV. Tim, what’s happening?

Tim Winders: Great things are happening, man. I got a nice breezy day in the black Hills of South Dakota. Weather’s perfect. And [00:03:00] life is good, man. Good to talk to you, Mike.

Mike Morawski: Yeah, you too. You’re in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I always say we’re going to wind up in some rabbit hole here on this show.

Tim Winders: Absolutely. And you know what? I think that’s okay. Sometimes people like to go along when we go down a rabbit hole. I think that’s kind of the world we’re in now.

Mike Morawski: Yeah. I love Dallas and Wonderland.

Tim Winders: Yeah, maybe I didn’t get it. Maybe I didn’t totally understand it.

Mike Morawski: That’s that whole Walt Disney thing, that old rumor that went around. And I don’t know, might not be a rumor. It might be true that he was doing LSD when he did that one and a couple other movies he wrote.

Tim Winders: Yeah, I don’t know. No comment. I’ve got no opinion on that.

Mike Morawski: We grew up in that era. Let’s get serious for a minute. One question I always ask my guests when we get started is in one word, Tim, what best describes you personally and professionally?

Tim Winders: You gave me a little heads up and man, this is a tough one. So this is a word that [00:04:00] describes me most of the time and I’m aspiring to it. And that word is peaceful. And do you just want the word? You want me to give a little follow up to it?

Mike Morawski: How do you get peaceful? I think there’s probably a lot of people wondering, man, how do you get there?

Tim Winders: I want to say that at this stage in my life, it’s something I am aspiring to more and I haven’t always been this way. I would be the hustle and grind, constantly clawing, pursuing. And I think there’s a time for that in our lives where we do need to put our heads down and just get some work done. But as I’ve looked back on my life, I realized I have probably done a lot of that thinking I would prove something, thinking I was working towards something, maybe sometimes out of fear, maybe sometimes out of thinking I was moving in the right direction or shooting for the wrong star or something like that.

And I was meeting with I guess a client a few [00:05:00] years back and we spent some time at their home. And I had never had anyone use this word to describe me Mike. And we were just talking, we were strategizing what’s going to be a big business. It was kind of a moonshot type thing that didn’t work out. And they said, it’s just so peaceful hanging out with you and I had never had anyone say that about me.

And I think it ties in a lot of stuff. Obviously it’s our day to day actions. It’s our habits. It’s our goals. It’s the way we live our life. But it’s also we also know you and I know it’s a big faith component to that is just understanding there’s a bigger picture out there that’s bigger than just Mike or Tim or the deal or what we’re working on right now. There’s more to why we’re here and when we start to grasp that, I think we could have a more peaceful existence.

Mike Morawski: Alright, so let’s get philosophical for a minute.

Tim Winders: Oh no.

Mike Morawski: And here’s what I wanna know, obviously, I feel that too from you. There is that sense of balance, maybe [00:06:00] sense of peacefulness, sense of contentment. People have said things about me that I’m humble. And I’m not saying that to be prideful, but, I didn’t used to be that way. And then the experiences in my life caused that to happen. Do you think that each of us have some word or quality that other people associate them with associate you with?

Tim Winders: I do think that we have. I’ll use the word assignments and i’ll use some spiritual terms here. I hope your audience is okay with that. I happen to believe that those that are of the faith that we are followers of Christ, that we really are citizens of the kingdom of god. Now, we’re also in this world system doing business transactions and stuff like that. And sometimes those things line up and sometimes they don’t, we know how that works.

But for [00:07:00] people like you and I, and my guess, a large percentage of people listening in, it is very easy to begin really hard charging and pursuing those things that are in that world system. And so to really address what you’re asking, you mentioned that you’ve been through some difficult times.

We had great conversations about it over at Seek Go Create podcast. I enjoyed that conversation and I’ve been through some challenging times. I think part of our journeys are getting to the place where we are, I don’t want to say at peace or at rest or whatever, but where we’re comfortable where we are.

That doesn’t mean we have to be totally content. That doesn’t mean we’re standing in one place, but we’re comfortable. I think what I recognize about myself and from talking to you, if I were to have talked to Mike Morawski back in the eighties or nineties or something like that. And [00:08:00] I think that we would have been very nice, cordial. We would have nodded, talked to each other, but in the back of our mind, we would have been thinking, how can we do business together to profit myself, profit him? How can we accumulate and gather more? How can we pursue the financial gain? And there’s nothing wrong with financial gain. I want to say that real clear right up front.

However, sometimes the tail can wag the dog instead of the dog wagging the tail. And I think that at our core, we need to have this understanding that we are to be content. We’re to be at rest where we’re at. And then if we’re at content and rest, then we could go after putting together a big multifamily transaction in Oklahoma, or working on a new project or starting a new company or building something new.

I think when the building something new or the working on the project is the lead is when we get out of balance. So I [00:09:00] think the true nature of who we are, you asked, is there a word or something that describes this? I think we all have a lot that makes us up. I interviewed someone the other day and they said they went through the dictionary and found over 4, 000 characteristics or traits that describe human beings.

And this person went through all 4, 000 and realized that he had some degrees of all of them inside him. And we all do, but there’s definitely some that rise to the top. And so I think the journey that we’re on is allowing the thing that we were created for to rise to the top. And my hope is it something that’s peaceful and restful and it’s not Tim trying to beat somebody over the head to get a deal done or something like that.

Mike Morawski: Yeah, honestly, when we started this morning, I had no idea we’re going to go down this road, but as long as we’re here, [00:10:00] we might as well stick to the fork in the road. So I love what you said about back in the eighties or nineties, we might’ve been cordially each other and even gotten along, but in the back of our minds, be thinking about how do we do business together and, made me think immediately.

Every conversation you and I have had, I haven’t thought about how do we do business together once. But yet we have this connection between us. And, I don’t know that I felt that way before I went to prison. So I don’t know, I was a Christian for years, but I was a pocket Christian. I pulled God out of my pocket when I was in a jam, when the flashing red lights were going off behind me.

And today, it’s my way of life. The only reason I got through the last decade was because I had Christ in my life. And I just say this because I know where you’re going to go with this. But today, I still have that business go cause I came home to nothing. I’ve only been [00:11:00] home a few years and I need to get something back. And so I am working diligently, but there’s a difference between a decade ago and today.

I just finished reading As a Man Thinketh and it’s a book that I’ve read every couple of years for the for years, but this last couple of times I’ve been through it. What an impact. James Allen was like, The Guy, the master of positive thinking and how we should live and how we should think. And it’s so scriptural. I’m going to just shut up and let you talk.

Tim Winders: Gosh, the power of that. Yeah you prompt me. You’re interviewing me now. Okay. As a Man Thinketh. In his heart, so is he. And Mike, this is where I’ve come to at a stage in my life and listen, we’re all on a journey. Everybody’s going through different stages, but I used [00:12:00] to focus on as a man thinketh when I read that book multiple times during the early nineties and all that. And I think I missed the second part or the subtitle or the proverb that it comes from, which is in his heart.

And my heart was pretty hard, even though I was probably a nice guy, I would smile and I was friendly. And I would remember your name because I knew to remember your name is a powerful, how to win friends and influence people strategy and technique and I was very technique driven, very transactional driven. And I did pretty well up until 08 and in 08, I think this may help or hurt some of the folks that are listening in.

We had over $15 million in property. I think of over a hundred doors, if you want to count doors at that point. We had a national coaching business that was a seven figure plus business. We were coaching, doing masterminds, all the stuff. And then we also had a lead gen business that was a seven figure business in 08. [00:13:00] And I’m going to say this real quickly if we want to dive into it later, we can, but by 2013, I was homeless and bankrupt and living in a Honda van with my wife.

Now, the reason I bring that up is because it’s part of my story. And just like your story is so powerful and important, people enjoyed hearing it over at Seek Go Create. And it’s the story of our hearts moving in the direction that it needed to go. We were good at what we did. I could buy some houses. I could get some real estate. I could negotiate. I could get some money from people. I could do all of those things. As a man thinketh, but it was not in my heart the way it needed to. I needed my heart. It sounds trite to say it needed to be softened. It needed to be prepared for what I think is really the journey we’re on.

[00:14:00] This is a little bit preachy, but I think you’ll get it. I have come to believe lately that the reason we’re here is to do business is to do whatever we’re supposed to do business wise and all that. I do not think that we’re supposed to just some people are, but just sit around and spend time in prayer and all that type stuff.

I think you and I are wired for business and that’s what we’re here for. That’s our ministry. That’s our mission field. That’s where we’re supposed to be. But the big picture is what we’re here for is to prepare our hearts for eternity. And what we went through was a doctorate in heart preparation. Because me, if you were different, I don’t think you were from our conversation.

I thought that I was so good and so smart and so fantastic when it came to real estate and doing all these things and marketing and coaching and [00:15:00] training. I thought that maybe I didn’t need that higher power for my business world. Now my marriage and my raising kids and all that, but business, I’m pretty darn good at it.

Kind of like you said, the Lord told you when we went through the downfall, this is what I feel like the Lord told me. He said, Hey, Tim, listen, all those business ideas, I gave those to you. All those skills and talents, I gave those to you. But I wanted to work with you in those projects, those were things I wanted us to do together.

I didn’t want you to treat me like an ATM machine and go out and do it on your own. And only when you got in trouble or a deal went bad, or the economy got bad, that you all of a sudden stepped to the ATM machine, you called God and said, Hey, listen, I need to make a withdrawal. Now you’re laughing. Mike, you know exactly what I mean.[00:16:00]

He said, I want you and I to lock arms and do these projects, do these businesses, do these projects like these podcasts and things like that. I want it to be together because these ideas are from me through you. And that is preparing our hearts. I don’t know that our hearts will necessarily be frozen where they’re at in eternity, but I do think that our life here is getting our hearts ready. It’s kind of like getting that muscle ready for where we’re going to be in eternity. And I know that my heart needed a lot of work.

Mike Morawski: Yeah. It’s two of us.

Tim Winders: It’s all of us if for those that are still with us on this call, we’ve dove deep quickly. It’s everyone.

Mike Morawski: Listen, you mentioned how to win friends and influence people. I think that’s a book that should be taught in high school because it is systematic. [00:17:00] It is foundational, but I think it’s foundational how we should live. To how we should live, how we should treat other people. To have the audacity to think that you even care about what I have to say is beyond me.

What I really need to believe is what matters to you. And, so I just had to say that, because I think too many of us. And I was a big player in this was, hey, here’s me. Now let me be quiet right now. What else do you want to know about me?

I’ll never forget though when we talk about that 1 word, mine is tenacious. And I’ll never forget because I’m a scrapper, man. I’m a grinder. I walk in this client’s house one day. I’m probably three years in the residential real estate business. He goes, man, Morawski, you are so tenacious. And I said, thank you. I had no idea what it meant. Run home, get the [00:18:00] dictionary and go, oh, yeah, that is me.

Tim, talk about your background. You’ve alluded to a few things here. Tell us where you came from and how you wound up on the road?

Tim Winders: Yeah, I grew up in and around the Atlanta area and what’s interesting and fascinating about, where I grew up is that when I was born in my early years, formative years, it was a small town on the outskirts of Atlanta. And I used to joke and say it was the end of the age of innocence. The seventies growing up in a little bit of a small town that was getting swallowed up by Atlanta while I was there. And so when I finished up high school, I always, Mike, I think this is cool. I always thought that I was going to be a coach.

Both my parents were educators and I’m just wired to reach inside people and pull out what I think is the greatness that’s in there. And I [00:19:00] think there’s greatness in everyone, but it looks different. It’s not me telling you what your greatness is. It’s me interacting with you and having a relationship with you so that I could pull what was put there that you may not even know it’s there.

And I always wanted to do that. So I was going to be a teacher and a coach until I found out how much my parents made. I didn’t know we were poor. I hate it that we pay teachers so little, like real teachers. Not like us business teachers, we really go where the money is. The other teachers, those are more the ministry minded people there. They’re in the battlefield.

Mike Morawski: They are first responders.

Tim Winders: They are first responders. They’re on the front lines, you and I are teachers and coaches and all that I don’t want you know what I mean by that. But so I started, this is late 70s early 80s about the time I was getting out of high school I started getting that these greed glands that started just really developing and I wanted to make me some money. It was the go years of the reagan years and all of that [00:20:00] and the greed is good type decade.

And so I decided that instead of being a teacher, engineering was really popular and a high demand role. I decided to go and, go down the road to Georgia tech and get an engineering degree, which I was okay at math and science, but it was probably not what I should do. With this group, I want to tell this story because it was kind of cool.

My dad, who was an educator, worked for the state department by that time, decided my freshman year at Georgia Tech that he was interested in real estate. I think he got a Robert Allen, No Money Down book. Classic, right?

Mike Morawski: Let me grab mine.

Tim Winders: You got it, but wait, there’s a name. Gosh, I guess I can mention this name. He went to a seminar by a guy by the name of Dave Delgado that I’m pretty sure served some time later for some stuff he did and all that. Do you remember that name? [00:21:00]

Mike Morawski: Dave Delgado was a student of Robert Allen. And I remember the conversations back then that Robert Allen had a grudge that Delgado went off and did this on his own after learning all this.

Tim Winders: So my dad, we went to a seminar together. I thought it was a Dave Delgado, maybe my memory’s a little fuzzy here. It was about 82 or something like that, by the way, 82, 83. I had just started at Georgia Tech, so I was a college kid and my dad’s a bright guy. He passed away last year. Very bright guy, but not quite as aggressive as I was. I listened to all these tapes and I remember there were two guys sitting on a sofa somewhere in Hawaii.


Tim Winders: That’s what my memory of that was. And this is one thing I heard. They said something about if you ever see a garage sale or a moving sale, you might be able to get a piece of real estate from that because, they might be selling the house. So I’m coming home from college one Friday afternoon, driving from Atlanta back out to the little town we’re in just outside of Atlanta.

And I see a sign not far from our house. It says moving sale. So I did a U turn in my, I don’t know if I still drove the Vega, for I had the little [00:23:00] Honda by that point. I had a 74 Vega, Mike, we might need to get a translator because a lot of people will not know.

Mike Morawski: I think you lost people at Reagan.

Tim Winders: So anyway, I go up to the movie sale. Now, I’m 18 years old, maybe 19, walk up to this sale. They’re selling a bunch of stuff. And I walked right up to the people that owned it. And I said, Hey, is the house for sale? And the guy looked at me and said, we’re behind on some payments and we need to, but we can’t. I go, I’m interested. So make a long story short, had a VA loan that at that point you could be taken over.

And my dad, I took him back over there. He acquired that property and that property is still in the family. I don’t know how many years later, 40 years plus later. So anyway, so it got dad going a little bit. I was in and out and, I came out of Georgia Tech. I started my first [00:24:00] business doing some other things while I was at Georgia Tech.

Finished up in the eighties, got married and started corporate, which really wasn’t my gig. Sometimes life is learning the things you don’t want to do. And I recognized day one, maybe day two corporate is not for me. I do not need to be doing that. Anyway, got involved, I did some multilevel marketing, which really helped a lot of my skills and stuff like that.

And I ended up leaving what I was doing with bell South in the mid nineties. And this led all the way up to the early two thousands when I circled back to real estate and dad had been buying a couple of properties. My sister had been doing some things and I said, Hey, listen, I’ve got a gap in some time right now.

Why don’t we build us a real estate company? And so we partnered on a few things and we started buying three, four or five houses a month and still wired to coach. So I quickly got back into the coaching while we were building all the product, the [00:25:00] systems and all to acquire properties and things like that.

So we cranked it out for a number of years and that led up to what happened in 08, which we saw it coming. I’m sure you did and knew something was happening, but we weren’t quite prepared for the partnership issues, the length of it and other things like that. And it was the awakening that I needed to get my attention and all that. So we were living in a country club. I thought I was semi retired, golf course lake, everything like that. And all that was gone just a few years later.

Mike Morawski: Yeah. I gotta go back to the Vega for a minute. Did you have a D eight in it?

Tim Winders: No, it wasn’t the Cosworth man. I had a friend of mine from high school recently. He said, yeah, Tim had that Vega Cosworth. I said, dude, man, I paid $400 in 1979 or 78. Paid $400 for a 74 Vega, which the body style looked really cool.

Mike Morawski: It was a cool [00:26:00] car.

Tim Winders: It was.

Mike Morawski: I had a buddy who was in the body shop business and he had a 76 vega. They changed the body style just a little bit that year. But it was blue and he’s supported the suspension and the frame and put a V8 in it, that car Tim, that car was faster than Helbig. I had an old 442, that was fast and this car though, my goodness. It was so light, it’s just like hydroplaning. Anyhow, that’s enough of the muscle car thing.

Tim Winders: Yeah. Yeah. Mine wasn’t, there was no muscle to mine. In fact, I think I killed most of the mosquitoes in my town because that aluminum block engine used more oil than it did gasoline. And it was three tone. It was red rust and Bondo. Literally had water that came in above the drive if it rained and it did in Georgia often.

I spent a year, fixed it up a little bit, got an Earl [00:27:00] shy paint job and sold it for a thousand bucks. I was on my way to financial independence.

Mike Morawski: Are you in the multifamily business or how’d you get into multifamily business?

Tim Winders: It’s very interesting. I work with a number of people that are still involved with real estate and I love real estate. I’m invested in some passively, but since all that we went through, I really haven’t been, I’ll say hyperactive in the real estate world.

And I think a lot of that is for purpose. I get to talk to a lot of folks like you and buddies and all that. And so I can speak the language, but in answer to your question, not really. I invest and I watch it. I read about it, but I’m not as involved. I now let’s fast forward.

I live in an RV. My [00:28:00] wife and I have been traveling for 10 years. We have probably more financial resources at our fingertips than we ever had without getting into a lot of details on that, if you know what I mean. And we lead a fairly simple, peaceful life in our 350, 400 square feet. I have some interest in some properties, but we won’t say I have ownership in some properties.

And I primarily work executives and leaders and I say I coach them, but I really almost partner with people in just helping them achieve and accomplish whatever they’re trying to accomplish. So that’s what I do now. Does that make sense?

Mike Morawski: Yeah. And I think that’s the best coaching in the world is when you partner with your people. And you and I come from that same mentality. Hey, listen, when I play school sports and the [00:29:00] coach always told you what to do and how to do it. But I think today life is different. It’s that partnership ability. A quick story about somebody I know who had massive wealth before 2008, 2008 just got crushed, wiped out.

I lost a hundred million. I think he was probably worth two more than that a hundred million. Lost everything. Today, and he said to me, when I interviewed him on my podcast, he said, I didn’t think I’d ever go back into real estate.

He goes, but what I’ve done is I’ve gone into real estate. I own nothing but control everything. And that’s the old Robert Allen way. That’s own nothing, or Carlton cheats. Own nothing but control everything. I love that, that can have a little investment in real estate and cause then there’s that place where you can [00:30:00] participate in real estate passively. And get the rewards because there’s a lot of rewards on the passive side as a passive investor from where you don’t have to deal with tenants, trash, toilets, crime, demographics, all the minutia.

Tim Winders: Yeah. This is I think, part of the place we’re working to arrive at is understanding what our role is in certain things. We have such a copycat society, I see how successful Mike is and What he does in real estate and you know what I need to do exactly like that. No, I know how i’m wired and listen, a lot of people will talk about substance addictions and I think you and I had some conversation about that over at Seek Go Create. And a lot of people are addicted to porn and things like that, I recognize this.

I was doing an interview[00:31:00] with a guy named Mark Whittaker on our podcast over at seek go create and he was a guy that the movie, the Matt Damon movie The Informant was based on. And he wore a wire to bring down one of the biggest price fixing cases of all time for Archer Daniels Midland, huge company, top 50 worldwide company.

He wore a wire for three years, which at that point was a record. No one had ever gone under the stress and pressure of wearing a wire for that period of time. And he later went to prison. His faith grew through that. Anyway, great conversation that we had, but we were having this conversation, Mike, and sometime during the conversation we were talking about, he was in his early thirties. Had corporate planes, Ferraris in his garage, living massively wealthy life, but yet he was still doing some things to get more.

And we were talking about it and I was talking about my situation [00:32:00] and what we both recognize was that we, and many people do have an addiction to more. It’s not necessarily money. It’s not necessarily alcohol or whatever, it can lead to manifestations there, but if we are right now working with one company, that’s a seven figure company, we need more. We need that company to be 20 million 50 million 100 million or we need another company that does it or we need another and so I have to recognize and this is part of the word you asked me at the beginning Mike, the peaceful.

For me to be peaceful, I have to do whatever programs or whatever to quell that addiction to more, and part of it is living an intentional, simple lifestyle. [00:33:00] I do not have a personal home at this time. There is not a piece of property. This is going to be great for a real estate, but people are going to go, wait, what did he say?

I do not have a home. Some people would say homeless. We use the word nomad because it just sounds a little better.

Mike Morawski: Right. Did you see that movie? That movie was great.

Tim Winders: I’ve seen pieces of it. Yeah. It’s similar. And you know what, it’s part of what I do to quell the things that I know can take over in me. And it’s part of why I think people need to recognize how did they need to work with Mike? They don’t need to do what Mike does. They just may need to park some money with you and then go the other direction and say, Mike do your thing and let me know every six to 12 months, what’s going on whenever the reporting is. You know what I’m not going to get.

Cause see, I have to watch out too, is that I would sometimes want to get all in your business. And say, Hey, listen, tell me, I need to know where are cap [00:34:00] rates, what’s going on, what’s the vacancies, things like that. And you don’t need that. You need to do what you do.

And people like me or people that might be listening in, they just need to say, listen, here’s a hundred K, do what you do. Coming out of my solo 401k or something like that. And I think it’s important. The reason I went through all of that is we need to ask ourselves questions. Sometimes we need to have help with it. Coach, mentor, whatever to know what our role is.

And our role, our assignment, I think I said this earlier in the kingdom of God is one of the things that we’re here for is to find out what that is. See, I still think I love the story you tell about being brought back into raising capital. That’s a great clip. There’s a great clip we took from the conversation you and I had about your kind of redemption is what I called it in that, where you thought you would never do it again, but you realized now you can do it because your heart is now in the right place for doing it.

[00:35:00] You know how to do all the technical pieces of it. Now your heart, because you’ve gone through the mistakes, you’ve made all the mistakes. See, we have to identify and know what our role is. I think that’s important.

Mike Morawski: It’s interesting. I know what my role is today and it’s become clear the last couple of weeks. My purpose here, I think is to build a business, build relationships, build in the people through those relationships. But my story and my history is much more important than anything else. Tim, I’ve gotten three phone calls in the last month from people who’ve said, I’ve heard your story.

I’m with a sponsor. I think there’s something fishy going on. Can you walk me through that? And I got a phone call yesterday from somebody and I was [00:36:00] amazed. I was like, you’re kidding. That actually happened? If I can help people or help people see something different, I think that’s what my purpose is. And I have that sickness, Tim. I’m an addict. I’m a recovering alcoholic and drug addict. I’m an addict. So work for me is that other addiction. And I said this, I said, Hey, when I get to 500 units, I think I’d be able to slow down just a little bit and kind of coast, but I’m at like 400 and I’m thinking, maybe another 500.

So it is. I get it. And how many people are listening to this right now going. Holy shit. That’s me. Cause it is, it’s most of us, the more. It’s not even money. My mission in the multifamily business is to provide safe and secure housing for my tenants. So I love that. I love to be able to do that. It’s not [00:37:00] about the money. It’s about the accomplishment, the more, so for whatever that’s worth. This is your’s show, anyhow.

Tim Winders: Yeah. But you’re asking the questions. What’s the next question?

Mike Morawski: I don’t know that there is a question. I think it was just a comment on what you said.

Tim Winders: Yeah.

Mike Morawski: We were fourty minutes into a 30 minute show.

Tim Winders: I love that we have these conversations in the business environment, because the way our first world cultures are now is that’s where most people, it manifests there quite a bit. And this is the interesting thing about it, drugs, other addictions. Obviously the alcohol is okay in some environments until it’s not okay.

But this form of success chasing after more, it is [00:38:00] not just accepted in our culture and society. It is applauded. It is elevated. It is what we’re told we’re supposed to do. It’s one of the reasons why I think my missions is to do what we’re doing on a lot of our shows and the book I’ve written and things like that is, how do we redefine what success is?

What does success mean for you Mike as the individual? It’s not copying what Tim did or Robert Allen or definitely not Dave Delgado or any of those guys. It’s what does success mean for you and to dig down even more to circle the conversation back. It’s what’s your assignment here?

I think both of us have a bigger picture view now. We know we’re created. We’re not mistake and accident or anything, we’re created. That doesn’t mean we don’t mess up and make mistakes and we’ve got flaws and stuff like that, but we’re created for something and part of my mission is helping people get closer to that assignment or [00:39:00] that what they’re created for.

And I think a lot of it is in business. A lot of people think, especially when they start becoming followers of Christ or come to some type of a faith moment. They think that ministry, full time ministry, being a missionary is the only thing they could do. And you went to Bible school. Like I did, you get into a Bible school setting and people think the only thing you could do that’s worthwhile is to be a pastor. No.

In fact, for many people, it’s the worst thing you can do. I’ll just go ahead and say that I’ll be blunt. It’s one of the worst things you could do. What you really need to do is gather people together like Jesus did. He got fishermen, he got tax collectors. He got some people that were political zealots. He did not go to the church to get his 12. He went to the marketplace and you know what? Those people came, they did ministry, and then they went back to the marketplace. They fished, I can guarantee you they were rough around the edges.

We’d get along with them really well [00:40:00] because they were business people. And so I think that part of our mission, if you will, is to find these equippings that we have, Mike, the master deal maker. He brings people together financially and finds the deals, gets the people together that needs to make the deal happen.

And he puts all that together. That is your creation, that is what you’re created for. But you do it in a way at rest in peace, knowing that some are going to work out, some aren’t. And you do it to the best of your ability. At the end of the day, when you hit your pillow, you know what, I did it as best I can.

And I know there’s going to come a day where maybe I won’t do any more, but I’m just moving along and that’s different than the go, go, go, grasping at everything you can. And that’s what I’m all about is helping people [00:41:00] identify what that is and then maybe keep them in check along the way while they’re pursuing it.

If that makes sense. You know what I mean? Not many people will say to hard chargers like you and I, Hey dude, I think you’re getting a little bit out of balance here and I don’t even like the word balance. I don’t think it’s balance. I think you’re getting off mission is what I really think.

And you’re getting off mission because you’re forgetting that you were created for something and you’re forgetting who the creator was that created you. And you need to back off and let the creator get ahead and you step into what was created instead of you thinking that you’re the creator.

Mike Morawski: Speaking of creating. How do people find you at Seek Go Create?

Tim Winders: Yeah, just Seek Go Create. They could go to or if they’re listening to this on podcast or any of the socials we are Seek, Go. Create. They could find us there. We’re trying to put out cool stuff like clips and all from interviews that I [00:42:00] do with people like you, so that people can just get some of this message wherever they can but or Seek Go Create on any of the social channels.

Mike Morawski: Hey, I have to say this has been great. This has been fun one of the funnest podcasts i’ve ever done and i’ve done hundreds of these at this point And I just need to say that it’s been awesome to get to know you even a little bit more.

And you and I talked the other day about how we continue to build this relationship. So I hope that continues to go on. And I hope people learn from that, how to connect and how to grow. I want people to be inspired and laugh and have a great time. So Tim, thanks for being here. Appreciate you.

Tim Winders: You bet. Thank you, Mike. Always enjoy talking to you.

Mike Morawski: All right, everybody. Hey, if you guys need to get ahold of Tim, go to seekgocreate.Com. Check him out, check out his podcast. Check out the podcast I was on with [00:43:00] him and we will see everybody soon. Have a great week, everybody.

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